During our recent year-end family vacation to Florida, Patrick McGilvray contacted me about an opportunity to be on his podcast focused on running and mindset. I said yes to this as I love the topics, but needed a webcam. I’d had opportunities in the past for podcasts, but had not invested in the technology.

Generally I create and edit YouTube videos about topics like these and it’s nice to know I can edit out mistakes, and shoot new video easily. I was a bit anxious, wondering if I could say some things of value to his listeners. This would be a bit like public speaking to an audience of one in real time, and then dozens or thousands might listen over time. Public speaking is not something I seek. Jerry Seinfeld had a bit on public speaking where he pointed out that the fear of public speaking ranks higher than death itself for many people; meaning those souls would rather be in the casket, than doing the eulogy!

The link to the podcast with host Patrick, Mindset Coach:

The interview went well. Patrick and I are both over fifty ultra marathon runners who’ve survived cancer, given up alcohol and are thriving on plant based nutrition. We share an interest in human potential and the power of our minds and emotions. There is an error where I referenced 30 to 40 miles, but meant to say 30 to 40 hours. Patrick made the process easy and he asked great questions. One of Patrick’s questions stumped me, as I could not think of a time when I wanted to quit during an ultra. I’ve run ultras through some nasty weather, and have completed some tough courses. After the “call”, I realized the closest I’d ever gotten to quitting was at the inaugural No Business 100. Roughly 56 miles into No Business 100, another struggling runner and I made it into an aid station just before the hard cut-off time late into the night and we didn’t quite make it out of there on time. They let us move on and I wasn’t going to quit, but deep down, I’d sort of hoped they’d pull us. We were doomed in this case and had to turn in our bibs at the next stop after a substantial amount of discomfort. And, a young couple, the “sweepers”, were cleaning up course markings while we plodded along with us, shivering and talking to pass the time.

To prepare for Patrick’s remote podcast call, I’d scribbled a few pages of notes and ideas relative to his topics. We of course couldn’t cover it all, so I put a YouTube video together on that topic. Why waste good notes!

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